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27 March 2012

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Beverle Graves Myers

Interesting! I'm reminded of Orfeo who went to the underworld to find his Euridice, then lost her. The Gluck opera based on that myth is one of my favorites.

Liz

Hades, as you note, had levels, some comparable to heaven. So, equivalency with hell is a misunderstanding. Still, I pointed out to one of my doctors that a picture of Hades was not the most cheerful of wall hangings for a surgical suite.

Rebecca

How interesting, Elisabeth! I didn't know any of this. Well, except for the Greek stuff. I myself went with "Hesperia..." or "The Red Isle," yet another belief among many, that I think predates the whole Hades, Tartarus, Charon stuff. I look forward to meeting Caecilia and figuring out life and death customs with her.

Suzanne Adair

Welcome, Bev. Those myths that describe a journey to the underworld are all supposedly symbolic of stuff going on in the subconscious mind. So I wonder what it means when you lose your beloved in the underworld?

Suzanne Adair

Hi again, Liz! Did your doctor really have a picture of Hades hanging where patients could see it? Gee, what a jerk! I agree that Hades is not the same as Hell. I've seen that mistake made over and over.

Suzanne Adair

Welcome to my blog, Rebecca. Wasn't this post fun? It made me look up the geography so I could find out where the Etruscans were located.

Elisabeth Storrs

Thanks so much for commenting. Hades was indeed a complex place. I like the concept of the five rivers that ran through it: sorrow, lamentation, fire, forgetfulness and hate. If you're talking about the subconcious mind there's lots to think about there! As for a picture of Hades (I assume it was Tartarus) I would have thought it more fitting to be in a dentist's not a doctor's surgery :)

Suzanne Adair

Elisabeth, you mentioned in your bio the Etruscan sarcophagus depicting the man and wife in a tender embrace. I saw something similar from ancient Sumer, and it got me interested in the Sumerians. Things we have in common with people from the distant past are exciting and put us in touch with them across thousands of years.

Elisabeth Storrs

I've yet to explore the Sumerian civilisation so it's interesting that they depicted women in their funerary art. I'll have to take a look. All I know about them is Hammurabi's codex and cuneiform. And yes, the feeling that ancient and modern man are not so very different when it comes to human emotions always fascinates me.

Diane A.S. Stuckart

Great article, Elisabeth...your new book sounds fascinating. And now, I am inspired to find a lovely picture of Hades for my office. :)

Suzanne Adair

Elisabeth, the Code of Hammurabi came long after Sumer, like thousands of years later. By then, there was almost nothing left of Sumerian civilization, as they'd been overrun by several conquering cultures. Most definitely by the time of Hammurabi, women's rights were in the toilet compared to what women had enjoyed in Sumer.

I keep toying with the idea of setting a mystery series in ancient Sumer. :-)

Suzanne Adair

Welcome, Diane. Maybe Elisabeth can refer us to pictures of Hades online. I'm just not sold on it...

Liz

Suzanne,
Yes indeed.
Not sure it was his personal choice. Maybe hospital's.
But, when I was having biopsy. Not good.

Elisabeth Storrs

Thanks for your interest Diane - no lovely picture of Hades that I can see on Google images :) Not even of the Elysium which is definitely where I'd want to end up.

Suzanne - a mystery series in Sumer - sounds great! I'd love to learn more about that culture. Never realised that Hammurabi was so much later in time.

Suzanne Adair

Liz, a hospital. It figures. That picture must have unnerved you.

Elisabeth, the Code of Hammurabi was Babylonian, c. 1700 BCE. Sumerian cuneiform dates from 3000 BCE, possibly farther back. Sumerians definitely had civilization going in their chunk of what's now Iraq even earlier than that, by 4000 BCE. The Sumerian structure of independent city-states with no central government likely contributed to their culture being overrun and subsumed by Akkadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians. From what I've studied, the world today would be much different if Sumerians had developed a central command and succeeded in repulsing invaders.

Suzanne Adair

Books about Sumer in the geek library of Suzanne Adair:

o Inanna, Lady of Largest Heart: Poems of the Sumerian High Priestess Enheduanna translated by Betty De Shong Meador

o Inanna, Queen of Heaven and Earth: Her Stories and Hymns from Sumer by Diane Wolkstein and Samuel Noah Kramer

o The Sumerians: Their History, Culture,and Character by Samuel Noah Kramer

Elisabeth Storrs

FAscinating Suzanne - hurry up and write the Sumerian mystery!
Cheers
Elisabeth

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